Words from those who rationalize Kazuma

[Forestknight25]

I was given the following from these losers in my anti-Kazuma thread.

Dash. Shut up or we'll temp-ban your sorry ass and forget to unban it. You're acting like a prick. Stop it. It's an opinion, and yours is just as irrelevant as anyone else's here. You will treat other members with respect, or you will find some other forum to make yourself a pain in the ass to.
-Shadowcell


Dash, shut up. You have not proven your case at all with your arguements and have only served to send your own thread into the garbage as a result.

This thread is now closed and consider yourself officially warned, Dash.
Take a thread down like this again and I will see to it that you are banned from the forums.

-Wingnut

And no, I'm not serious about any angry thoughts I have, I'm merely venting. Really, don't think I'm a real-life asshole, I'm actually a really nice guy to those who deserve niceness.

Me: His noble reasons are what infuriate me. They supposedly justify his abominable actions. When will justified brutality stop?

Wing Zero Alpha: Said the person that supports an organization that's not above handing explosive ridden toys to children. How's that for "noble reasons" that justify "abominable actions"?

FYI, no. I do not support Emargy or any other dumb and annoying members of HOLY. Get your facts straight you imbecile.

They asked me if I thought Boba Fett was an abomination. No, he's not. He's just doing his job. He's part of the galactic underworld. He has no noble cause, no ends to justify the means, he's merely bounty hunter scum. Very cool bounty hunter scum at that. And shame on you for comparing Kazuma to Boba Awesome!

Me: You guys are such boneheads...You cannot see that Kazuma is an abomination who should've died in the series instead of Scheris.

Wing Zero Alpha: Heh, the "You're idiots because you don't agree with what I say" line. Classic.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Me: Scheris wasn't fighting Kazuma. She summoned some Dars guys to attack him. He pushed them off and was physically intimidating the much smaller Scheris, then picked her up and presumably had his way with her. That kind of brute force is both unessicary and wretched...so everytime I hear "eeee!!!! I love my Kazu-Kun!" a vessel bursts in my head. Maybe I should turn myself in to a mental asylum, since when I'm in the grip of all this, I fantasize about beating the snot out of someone cosplaying as Kazuma.

J-Lead: Oh, so she got her henchmen to attack him, lost, and you expected him to just ignore her? If that's the case, then stop defending her. For one, her henchmen lost, and she had to pay the price of sicking them on Kazuma. Two, she is a professional agent, not a defenseless civilian, so why does she deserve any mercy when she, as an agent, should be fully aware of the situation and the consequences of her actions? If she honestly deserves the sympathy that you think she does, then she was never cut out to be an agent in the first place. He obviously didn't kill her, which, logically speaking, is what he should have done, so despite your dislike of the character, your bashing him for something that he had every reason to do, and still showed some semblance of mercy.

Yes, and someone also said "it's his form of chivalry that he didn't kill her."

See? See what I mean about people defending and rationalizing what he does? These people deserve to be kicked in the groin repeatedly.

[Asuka Was Here]

Curious to know how Boba Fett came into all that ^^ But I suppose I'd have had to read te discussion to understand.

Ah, well. I will say this: there are blockheads in the world. But, blockheads or not, they have a right to a) have their opinions, b) do whatever they want on forms they run/own, or forums in which they are under the protection of the owner, and c) bayou f tey like and cal you hatever names they want. My advice: ignore them. If it's not a forum where you're happy with the discussions and such, then just leave. They have freedom of speech, yes, but you have the freedom to not listen to their speech. So ignore them. They want to create tension, so be it. Don't cater to them. Even by reposting things they say here (though I recognize you feel like venting), you feed their egos more than you help yourself, you know?

You're not going to be able to convince everyone to follow your reasons and ideals - even logical people. I consider myself fairly reasonable, but I still don't hate Kazuma - I don't approve of everything he does, but that doesn't mean I hate him. I'm not going to say it was right for him to blow things up and kill people and whatever, but I still like him.

Another word of wisdom - the old cliche that you catch more bees with honey. I don't think calling them blockheads and saying they deserve a swift kick in the nuts is going to convince them to give your opinion fair consideration... but, like I said, if you want to argue with them, don't complain when they argue back, rationally or otherwise. If not, well, don't bother posting there. Right? ^^'

[shadowofrpgfreak]

On this subject, /agree with Asuka (still think of you as Aurora... changing screen names, pah, trying to confuse me you are). If someone's trying to goad you on a forum, just ignore it... "Don't argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

admin said:

You're not going to be able to convince everyone to follow your reasons and ideals - even logical people. I consider myself fairly reasonable, but I still don't hate Kazuma - I don't approve of everything he does, but that doesn't mean I hate him. I'm not going to say it was right for him to blow things up and kill people and whatever, but I still like him.

Have to respond to this with my own views... Kazuya's a moron. He thinks with his Shell Bullet, rather than his brain, which is exactly what Cougar was trying to teach him NOT to do. He never learned to solve problems any way except through violence... thus, he uses that as his end-all argument. "*punch* There, now I'm right and your wrong." I do agree that noble purposes don't justify depraved acts, but the reason he tried was because he's a dumbarse.

Anyway, I'll resume this later, I have class.

[Forestknight25]

Welcome to the club, Shadow.

[shadowofrpgfreak]

Just to clarify... I don't HATE him. I just think he's an idiot. Something similar... look at Sasuke from Naruto. He's an idiot. He goes all dark and evil-like to try and get power to kill his brother, which defeats the damned purpose... earlier in the series, he's usually brave, intelligent, and a damned good fighter... a few screw ups against someone 10x his level and he says, "eh, forget it, I'll just take the fast and easy route."

Again, someone who could be cool, but ends up an idiot. Kazuya has the same deal to me... he could be a REALLY cool character, if he were to think a little and go, "Hey, I should actually be a GOOD guy and not just punch things." As things stand, I like the fact that after facing Ryuho that he decides, "I need to get stronger," but that and his protectiveness of Kanami are his only redeeming attributes...

Think I'm going in circles... I gotta watch the series again, I've forgotten half of it, and can barely pin the names to the less known characters. Maybe I'll bug Kat for it.

Shadow, out.

[Asuka Was Here]

I dunno, I could think of a few other redeeming qualities for him, at least in my mind, but I can see that assessment....rather easily, actually, since it is pretty much true. I do recall one of the only amusing things about the manga was this little one-box flashback where Kanami was making an attempt to educate Kazuma and he wound up deciding 1+1 was 3... you kind of have to worry when that same guy is running around trying to do...well, basically anything. Nonetheless, at the very least Mujyou needed to be taken out, and as for the Mainland people... this is the point where I really wished they had fleshed out the political aspects of the series even more, or else carried it on longer than they did and run for a second season so we had more than background and subtle hints to work with. Or that someone would translate the novels. I'm not saying the ending was bad, just that I have an insatiable need to know what happens next and, more importantly, why. Government and politics is a tricky subject, though, and in many respects, each person's political views and/or cultural bias really rule over what they think of s-CRY-ed and the characters.